and chris kafinnas, former chief of staff to democratic senator joe manchin. welcome to both of you. what do you think did president obama just throw away the election, throw in the towel? >> no, you've got to love this business. a few weeks ago it was the owe owe president obama was skating to victory, there was nothing that was going to stop him and governor romney was dead and his political fortunes were over. in the split of a second it is almost the opposite. there are four weeks to go, there are still a lot of campaigning to do, critical debates have to happen. the president did not have a good debate, i think that is self-evident. moving on i think you have two key debates and the vice presidental debate that will be really critical. how each candidate performs in those debates will have an incredible significance in who wins the president. he's got to come in especially in his first debate, the president, in the town hall and hold governor romney's feet to the fire about his policies, hess facts and make him explain his contradictions and how his polic